From: Colin Paul Adams COLINA DEMON CO UK> Date: 2 feb 1999 Subject: Re: Chu shogi rules update >>>>> "Rikard" == Rikard Nordgren ETEK CHALMERS SE> writes: Rikard> What? If the lion could jump to a B square when surrounded Rikard> I also think it should be able to return to its original Rikard> square and thus pass turn (this makes more sense). Well, it doesn't. You are arguing by analogy, but the analogy does not hold. Let us consider the three possibilities: 1) The A squares are all vacant, and so are the B squares. Then it is permitted to jump to a B square. Likewise it is permitted to move to an A square, and then return home. 2) The A squares are all occupied by enemy pieces, and so are the B squares. Then it is permitted to jump direct to a B square, capturing a piece. Likewise you can move to an A square, capturing a piece, and return home. 3) The A squares are all occupied by friendly pieces, and so are the B squares. Then you can neither move to a B square (see - your analogy does not hold), nor to an A square, so you cannot pass. In fact, even these three cases aren't proper analogies. The correct analogy is between a move to an A square followed by a move to ANY OTHER ADJACENT SQUARE (whether it is a B, or an A or the home square). The meaning of the pass move is a double move, that happens to have it's second square coincident with the home square. Therefore the test is whether a move to an A square is legal or not. If all the A squares are occupied by enemy pieces, you may make an igui capture, but not a pass move. And if all the A squares are occupied by friendly pieces, then you may not move at all (assuming the B squares are likewise occupied by friendly pieces). Thus the correct analogy is between the occupation status of the A compared with the B squares. Note that there are potentially 8 different pass moves, not all of which may be legal. This would make a difference if Repetition-by-moves was the rule. But I think everyone agrees that it should be repetition-by-position (that was the rule used at the Muenster tournament, and you did not quibble when I circulated the rules beforehand ('tis a great pity that you could not make it in the end)), so it makes no difference, and therefore the simple notation Ln ! suffices. -- Colin Paul Adams Preston Lancashire