From: Colin Paul Adams COLINA DEMON CO UK> Date: 1 feb 1999 Subject: Re: Taikyoku Shogi >>>>> "Michael" == Michael Vanier BBB CALTECH EDU> writes: Patrick> Yes, the book has five pages on Tenjiku shogi. Not much Patrick> to translate, but I thought the rules were pretty much Patrick> established... Michael> There's the controversy about the move of the Lion Hawk Michael> described in The Book of Tenjiku. Also the rule inferred I should make it clear that George and I don't argue about what the historical move was, merely what it OUGHT to be. >> none of the rules for the bigger games are really well >> established - John Fairbairn has told me the only variant he >> will play is Tori. Because for all the others, even Chu, he is >> not certain of the historical rules. Michael> Hmm... I figured the Chu rules were pretty well hammered Michael> out, give or take some very fine points. So did I. I was most surprised when he said this. I said something like: "Isn't the game still played in Japan, to some extent? And what about Oyama playing?" His answers were: 1) People in Japan have been influenced by George. 2) Oyama tended to keep quiet about the rules. Or something to that effect. It's a pity we couldn't get John on this list, but I'm afraid he just isn't interested in Shogi, these days, and never was interested in the variants. -- Colin Paul Adams Preston Lancashire