From: "Jeroen J.-W. Tiggelman" CASEMA NET> Date: 1 dec 1999 Subject: Re: Normal people ? Hans Kaplan wrote: > chesspeople in general are not as other people. [..] I found them not > trustable but dishonest and strange. Many are asocial. [..] Among > chess-players I can hardly find a real grown-up. [..] In the > chessfederation we find very strange men, never worked with other > stoff than chess. One could wonder whether the main characteristics of what you observed are defined by the people playing chess, or more colored by what people are noticeably oriented to one activity only (which would happen to be chess). > How is the situation in Shogi [..] For me it seem to be so here in > Sweden, the shogifederation is only some years old, now some of the > most stupid chessplayers started to play Shogi. I guess these things happen. Are you surprised? > I started to like the game more than chess, [..] I thought of > starting a good place for both Shogi and chessplaying, to give normal > people an alternative to the dull place they play now. Overall you sound very excitable yourself. I cut all the information you included apparently to show how qualified you are to make judgements about these things, or to organize something you apparently think must be much better than anything people in Sweden might possibly enjoy now. I don't think that's a good starting point - you might get across as more than a little pushy yourself. I'd say this was somewhat ironical. > The leader for the Shogifed,. here, Danerud, started a conversation > with me with a mail. When I told him that I thought of starting a > Shogi-club, he didnt even answer ! It doesnt at all surprise me, that > the situation is the same in this sector. And you proceed by discussing this little occurrence on the mailing list like this, and in such a context as to suggest there would be something wrong with him? It might be that you come across as not that easy to work with, or not enthusing people to work with you. THAT would not at all surprise ME, and would perfectly explain why you'd find all sorts of sectors to be like that. > Compare with what was written 2 weeks ago about "how is the brain > affected". A big mistake is to believe that chess or Shogiplayers in > general have a high IQ. Of course it is. No correlation is to be expected at all IMO. > Its the opposite. The brain is getting programmed of these things, > only programmed for chess or Shogi. I think you have very odd notions about IQ. It tends not to be influenced much by any particular training. If you practice with typical IQ tests you may be able to gain a few point on the score, but not much. And that's just influencing the appearance, not the actual intelligence level. > Cause the diff. its very good to play the booth. But the brain > must be used in some other areas to get good working. IQ is not very related to social skills at all, as far as I can tell. I would suggest to distinguish "intelligence" from "wisdom", "knowledge", etc. > I have read the "latest" about braincells and what they need. In your case, I'd guess they could use some rest. Don't worry to much about these things. Don't try to find some connection between all these things one way or another. Just try to have fun playing whatever game you find you like, and see that you find some people you like to play with. > Good luck. I leave this soon, answer now ! I think you'd be better of being a bit more relaxed. What does it matter when you get an answer? With email you should be able to read it whenever you get around to it? -- --Jeroen-------------------------------------------------- Tiggelman jtiggelm casema net (private)