From: George Jost LSEC LETE DND CA> Date: 26 may 1998 Subject: Gold is better than silver. -Reply Actually I think there is also a growing number of players in the high Kiu range such as myself who may still require strong handle caps when playing dan players. Your discussion is I think still quite relevant to us as well. For myself I'd like to hear about strategy in all types of handicaps from both sides. The Art of Shogi has some discussion on this topic as well. I do have a question though: is there a handicap at which a rank beginner can have an interesting game against a top notch professional (such a Habu, Tanakawa, S...)??? I know I had a good game against a (rusty) low kiu player with a rook handicap. (He figured a rook bishop game might have been even) George ; (Insanity is a frame of mind.) >>> Larry Kaufman WIZARD NET> 05/26/98 02:46pm >>> Gold is better than silver - the secret of four piece handicap. For some fifteen years now, my pet topic under the umbrella of shogi has been how to play four piece handicap ... shogi for both sides. I am writing this article now for several reasons: ... 2. I imagine that a rather high percentage of shogi-L subscribers are in the low kyu range (say 1-4 kyu), which means that they would be offered four piece handicap by any visiting pros.