From: George Jost CA NEWBRIDGE COM> Date: 8 oct 1997 Subject: Life time ...Oi??? Understanding the rankings among players, Can one get a lifetime award of each of the big 7 titles or does that honour only apply to being Meijin? (LIfetime Meijin requires winning the title 5 times in a carreer.) Tanikawa has recently attained this goal. Habu has won 3 Meijin matches. Habu seems to have attained or almost attained this standing in most of the titles. If so I suppose Habu is currently playing for lifetime Oi? He would also have lifetime standings in the Kensei (5), Oza(6), and Kio (7). He appears to need one more game to have have lifetime membership in the Ryuo and the Oi. He has "only" one 2 Osho titles so far. Tanakawa needs one more win to be "lifetime" Osho, One more to be lifetime Oi, two more to reach lifetime Kinsei, 2 more to make lifetime Ryuo, 3 more to make lifetime Kio and 4 more to make lifetime Oza. I did not look that closely. I wonder how many other players that are still in circulation have attained every title or attained a given title more than 5 times. I also wonder if being Meijin or Ryuo is more prestigious or having more titles? I also wonder when players retire? (Age, declining ability or just by choice.)