From: Matt Casters NETPOINT BE> Date: 12 may 1997 Subject: Re: Real chess computing ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC5EF3.3B77C4A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >You are just being silly. > >As the programmers frequently pointed out, this victory had nothing to do >with artificial intelligence. The computer does not think. It just runs fast. I don't think such a challenge would be silly. Programs in Japan are starting to get better then 1dan, on a PC. So why would it be silly to try it on a machine that is a few thousand times faster ? >Also, as Kasparov pointed out in his press conference after the match, this >match was not played under conditions in which humans play in normal >competition. The fact that two grandmasters were sitting in the Deep Blue >"War Room" throughout the match analyzing the games as they progressed and >the perimeters of the computer could be changed by humans in the middle of >the game means that this is not necessarily a true test. The parameters of the program were NOT changed during the game. The famous Ken Thompson confirmed this and the output of the program was presented to Kasparov. Further more, if Kasparov was not satisfied with the game conditions, he should NOT have accepted to play. But he did, so I think his remarks were rather stupid. >Most grandmasters agreed that in a 20 game match under real chess conditions >Kasparov and many other grandmasters would easily beat the computer. I agree, but it has to be proven. >Regarding a program to play shogi, I myself wrote such a program years ago. Now there's a reference... I did the same a couple of years ago, but it doesn't mean anything. >A shogi playing computer program would have to function much differently >from a chess program. An exhaustive search of the type applied to chess >simply would not work in shogi. It's working allright. It's just a lot more difficult to program. I'm thinking especially of endgame speed were shogi- programs can get really good. A chess-computer might win or lose the next match, but this test was certainly a historic event. Most people tought it would last at least another 10 years before the world champion would lose. 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