From: "Wiebering, C.A. (WMW)" WMW UTWENTE NL> Date: 11 jul 1997 Subject: AW: Byo Yomi (was European Style of playing shogi) Peter Stouten wrote: >>Ever since, byoyomi has been an integral part of European Shogi In Chess other time-measurement options become slowly in fashion. One in particular is a proposal by Robert Fischer: you start out with 30 minutes and after having made a move you get 30 sec. added to it (already on the first move!). So, for example, after having made 60 moves you could have used 30 min. + 60 * 30 sec = 1 hour. And you are still being able to continue with about 30 sec. per move. So with this system you are able to use the same amount of time as the 1 hour and 30 sec byoyomi, but it is far more flexible. You do not need 30 seconds for a move you'd play in one second. So the player can collect a some time by doing some quick moves and use some more time on crucial moves. I think I'd prefer such a system for Shogi as well. But ofcourse, you'd need a digital clock for these kind of time-measurements (There are some available yet). In using this system I would suggest 30 min + 30 per move for tournaments, and 2 minutes + 12 sec per move for quickplay. Another option is to count byoyomi not for 1 move but for 10. This is practiced in some European Go tournaments. The player in byoyomi is given ten stones to put on the board in 4 or 5 minutes. You do not need an electronic clock for this solution, and it is somewhat more flexible than normal byoyomi. But it seems to me that it is somewhat more difficult to implement in Shogi (because of counting the moves). Kees Wiebering