From: Albrecht Heeffer NETPOINT BE> Date: 26 feb 1997 Subject: Re: shogi ratings/rankings ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC23D6.8FC1AF60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, We had a discussion about Elo ratings some time ago on this list, from which I learned that it is very difficult to pinpoint ELO ratings to grades. There are some observations I would like to add. 1) dan grades are granted on basis op points gathered on a consecutive number of games. Suppose you are 1 kyu in grade and 1 dan in actual strength. You would then be expected to score 50% against shodan players. In 12 consecutive games against shodan players you would acquire 120 points which is not sufficient to get the shodan grade. So my point is that you have to be better than 1 dan to become 1 dan. To me this explains why there is a gap in strength between 1 dan and 1 kyu and why there are so few shodan players in Europe (they quickly become 2 dan). The expectancy to win will be different between 1kyu-2kyu and 1dan-1kyu. 2) I'm currently at 1 kyu grade and I play a statistically relevant number of games on the Java Shogi server against Japanese players of 2kyu-4dan strenght. I score significantly better against Japanese dan players then against European dan players, which leads me to conclude that the shodan grade in Europe is somewhat higher in strength than in Japan. -----Original Message----- From: Larry Kaufman [SMTP:lkaufman WIZARD NET] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 1997 9:29 PM To: SHOGI-L techunix technion ac il Subject: shogi ratings/rankings Currently there is discussion in the U.S. about converting the Washington D.C. shogi rating system into a national one, since it is already functioning as such at least for the Eastern half of the country. 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