From: Colin Paul Adams COLINA DEMON CO UK> Date: 1 oct 1996 Subject: Grading in Shogi variants >>>>> "Phil" == Phil Holland bcs org uk> writes: Position / Name Club Grade Wins 1 / R West Royston 12-kyu 2 Champion 2 / C Adams Preston 15-kyu 1 Runner-up 3 / P Holland Royston 14-kyu 1 4 / P Judkins Norwich 15-kyu 0 I think there is some slack thinking here, with respect to grading. The reasoning appears to be that as beginers are reckoned to be 15 kyu in Shogi, then they should also be regarded as being 15 kyu in Shogi variants, too. I think this is the wrong approach. In both Shogi and Go, the tradition has been that the strongest player in the world (i.e. Japan at the time) was reckoned as 9-dan when gradings were established (Honinbo Sansa in both games, at the time), and other gradings were established relative to this. N.B. Sansa would not be reckoned as 9-dan strength these days, of course. In Go, he is reckoned to have been about 5-dan amateur strength. So grades have strengthened over time (and then weakened again in the 20th century). Now the relationship of the strength of an average beginner, to the (hypothetical average) strongest player is a function of the game itself, along with the grading (i.e. handicapping) system used. There is no reason to suppose that the grading steps in Shogi, Tori Shogi and Chu Shogi can be directly compared. There is a very good reson to suppose that Shogi and Go grading steps are different in size - namely that Go beginners are generally about 35 Kyu. In conclusion, I think grades for individual Shogi variants should not be assumed to start at 15 kyu, but rather should be assumed to descend from 9-dan. Problem: determine the world's strongest player. Colin Adams