From: Tony Salvaggione AOL COM> Date: 21 may 1996 Subject: Oh the Pain! This past weekend I got slaughtered in a Yagura game. That's fine - it happens quite a bit. Only problem is I've seen this type of attack before - even used it, but couldn't defend it. And I know it is defencible... After a Yagura opening... P-1e, Px1e; Sx1e, Lx1e; Lx1e, P*1c - and with the bishop hitting 1c also. My position caved in. I never did drop the lance back at 1a. I wish I could give more of the game score - it was a late night game and my memory is terrible then. So I guess my question is if the above exchange is joseki for both sente and gote, and what the plans are for both sides? Thanks. Tony Salvaggione