From: Sean Chasworth AOL COM> Date: 14 jul 1996 Subject: Re: "Theoretical" Elo ratings To further add on - It would be natural to assume that the average Elo would be lower than a 'rank standard' because players spend more time in a decline phase than a learning phase. It may take 5 years for an amateur, 15 years for a master, but then continue playing for 20 more years before retiring fully. I'm sure many masters play well below their actual ranking in their later years. Are Elo ratings actually used to determine these rankings? If promotions are based mainly on performance against similar or higher grades, do the committees separate the 'strong' 5 Dan from the 'weakening' 5 Dan? In Sumo (wrestling), only the rank of Yokozuna (Grand Champion) is a career title. But if a Yokozuna fades, I have heard that he would be pressured to retire, rather than have the title become devalued by poor performances. Is this also true in Shogi?