From: SChazworth AOL COM Date: 12 dec 1996 Subject: Tokins and Generals To add to the argument about the relative values of Gold Generals and Tokins, remeber that these are not chess pieces with absolute value. In chess, winning the exchange increases your strength, and decreases your opponents. A shogi piece varies in power. A captured value of a piece is not the same as it's "on the board" value. It seems obvious that a tokin is nicer to have on the board, as when it is captured, it becomes less useful to the player capturing. In war, this may be like burning a city before it get taken over, so that the enemy does not get the city's advantage. On other notes, it also seems obvious to trade Bishops for promoted Bishops. Although the pieces are the same, your opponent's strength has been decreased. But, if you had a choice of capturing two pieces, which would you take? A tokin or a lance? A tokin harms your opponent more, but gives you less in hand as an exchange. What about a tokin and a knight?