From: Albrecht Heeffer NETPOINT BE> Date: 11 dec 1996 Subject: Re: Evaluation (was Re: Computer Shogi) ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBE745.05E87260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit michael facer [michaelf LAVA NET] wrote: Why is a promoted pawn worth less than a gold? In fact a tokin is worth more. When a gold is exchanged for a gold, it might in certain situations be considered an even trade. (but more likely, the exchange would be to one sides advantage) But when a tokin is exchanged for a gold, it is no even trade. Mr. Aono says that a tokin is worth two generals--in the tokin -gold exchange,you lose a gold, and I gain a gold--that is a difference of two golds (and the pawn that you gain counts as nothing) [Albrecht Heeffer] This sounds a bit as a contradiction. I would use the same argument to say the opposite: A tokin is worth less than a gold because you are loosing material by trading a gold for a tokin. Even trading a silver for a tokin is bad trade unless it is the only way not to loose a gold. The real value of a tokin would of course depend on the situation on the board. The tokin could be the necessary condition for a tsume or could be of no real value at all. If you use one static value for a tokin I would make it even to a lance. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBE745.05E87260 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IjQIAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYA5AEAAAEAAAAQAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL AA8OAAAAAAIB/w8BAAAAVwAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAFRoZSBTaG9naSBEaXNj dXNzaW9uIExpc3QAU01UUABTSE9HSS1MQHRlY2h1bml4LnRlY2huaW9uLmFjLmlsAAAeAAIwAQAA AAUAAABTTVRQAAAAAB4AAzABAAAAIAAAAFNIT0dJLUxAdGVjaHVuaXgudGVjaG5pb24uYWMuaWwA AwAVDAEAAAADAP4PBgAAAB4AATABAAAAHAAAACdUaGUgU2hvZ2kgRGlzY3Vzc2lvbiBMaXN0JwAC AQswAQAAACUAAABTTVRQOlNIT0dJLUxAVEVDSFVOSVguVEVDSE5JT04uQUMuSUwAAAAAAwAAOQAA AAALAEA6AQAAAB4A9l8BAAAAGgAAAFRoZSBTaG9naSBEaXNjdXNzaW9uIExpc3QAAAACAfdfAQAA AFcAAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDdAQ9UAgAAAABUaGUgU2hvZ2kgRGlzY3Vzc2lvbiBMaXN0AFNN VFAAU0hPR0ktTEB0ZWNodW5peC50ZWNobmlvbi5hYy5pbAAAAwD9XwEAAAADAP9fAAAAAAIB9g8B AAAABAAAAAAAAAJlawEEgAEAKAAAAFJFOiBFdmFsdWF0aW9uICh3YXMgUmU6IENvbXB1dGVyIFNo b2dpKQBfDQEFgAMADgAAAMwHDAALAAkAFwAyAAMAPwEBIIADAA4AAADMBwwACwAJAAwACgADAAwB AQmAAQAhAAAANzBCRkRDQkMzNTUzRDAxMThBQjAwMDgwNDg5RDdGOUMANgcBA5AGALAGAAAhAAAA CwACAAEAAAALACMAAAAAAAMAJgAAAAAACwApAAAAAAADAC4AAAAAAAMANgAAAAAAQAA5AADXSaM8 57sBHgBwAAEAAAAoAAAAUkU6IEV2YWx1YXRpb24gKHdhcyBSZTogQ29tcHV0ZXIgU2hvZ2kpAAIB cQABAAAAFgAAAAG75zyjQLzcv3NTNRHQirAAgEidf5wAAB4AHgwBAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgAf DAEAAAANAAAAYWxAaW1wYWt0LmJlAAAAAAMABhBKBUdpAwAHEFcDAAAeAAgQAQAAAGUAAABNSUNI QUVMRkFDRVJNSUNIQUVMRkBMQVZBTkVUV1JPVEU6V0hZSVNBUFJPTU9URURQQVdOV09SVEhMRVNT VEhBTkFHT0xEP0lORkFDVEFUT0tJTklTV09SVEhNT1JFV0hFTkFHAAAAAAIBCRABAAAAjAMAAIgD AAC8BQAATFpGddq4g9YDAAoAcmNwZzEyNRYyAPgLYG4OEDAzM50B9yACpAPjAgBjaArA4HNldDAg BxMCgwBQbwRVENkIVQKAfQqACMggNjsJbw4wNQKACoF1Y9cAUAsEA2B0BZB0C6cKsX0KgWMAQRcF AtEWkwqAbWsN4BEAZQMgZgDQBJAgAlsZtWZATEFWQYAuTkVUXSB3FxIeOhhRF+EXGBgDV2h54iAE ACBhIBcBBGAXMFJkHgBhdwOgdwkRaHwgbAeQBCAfIAORHfBn4QbwZD8gSQOgGjEFQPEd8HRvawuA HbIe8xlV8QWwZS4gHYAJ8B/lHbL8ZXgQ8Q8gHnECEAXAH/TOLB2wBUAZsGdoBUAhQQ8aUQGQIUEA kHR1YXTmaQIgBCBiZRf0BaAAgScEgR5xA5FldiLRdHLGYQEAIpAoYnUlESJh6R9AaWsaAHkk4B8g KZC7I6Ye4XUjQSbwIQEgAiDnJwUnoh3RZHYAcAGQJADoKSBCKTF3IsQhFyOveyS2HcFuK6AoUhf0 KKVNGnIikEECICugc2F59x+DIN8fMHQe8CAACfAEkHEHQHMtLSFBKjIhFC1nIBIX9C6mLHkIYB9A b+8RMCR3AHAegEkgACYCH/RXNKAygx3DZAaQZifRbnsaUCuwZjPSF/QgEgQgKH834ioyHqMygzbS OEMFoHWfAjAd0TBCHyALgGcpF/+PGQk+ZQwxGoBBbGIJcPsQ8AVASAngOdIbsAogAUCyaRFgIFQ+ EAQgcz1R+ztRHfBiJQE9sR3wJ3EoorsN4CaSLj5kOCArBHU3MY8qMjIwB4Ad4HJndQeAjwIwK4Iy MSojb3BwNyB3JQAcET5zQTLuH14m4WPeYUWyNtIKwCmRb0fxDyD/GVUmgAZxB0Am4EdhRDIPIO8i 9iREIRMikEUoZk2jK/bebChgBcBOWR2yYijAKJR9RaBuH1MwBEeDUnAdoHf/MkA+ZD3hK4JL0jdG IpBCgP8pkAlwTQEs0ApBOlIg9isE3zphJxYIcDcxAQBwCfBXgf801CZHWQYG4AsRVYQhE1fX/ys1 KkEr0BpQBBAKwB2gJ3H3ObBZ005Vc0axK7AFwFv2nz5kOmEwYVXpMqJsbCKQ/kk6cDbSRbIrwSYw AZAmkP5jViUkQT5kIPZFNgDAKdD/JPIoVCugHfAPARpQRMU+ZF8DMBxMQmA+ZBPxAGiwAwAQEAAA AAADABEQAQAAAAMAgBD/////QAAHMKB2NAI757sBQAAIMKB2NAI757sBCwAigAggBgAAAAAAwAAA AAAAAEYAAAAAA4UAAAAAAAADACSACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAQhQAAAAAAAAMAJ4AIIAYA AAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAFKFAABQDQAAHgBHgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAVIUAAAEAAAAE AAAAOC4wAAMASIAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAAGFAAAAAAAACwBRgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAA AEYAAAAADoUAAAAAAAADAFKACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAARhQAAAAAAAAMAVIAIIAYAAAAA AMAAAAAAAABGAAAAABiFAAAAAAAAHgBjgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAANoUAAAEAAAABAAAA AAAAAB4AZIAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAADeFAAABAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAeAGWACCAGAAAAAADA AAAAAAAARgAAAAA4hQAAAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAHgA9AAEAAAAFAAAAUkU6IAAAAAADAA00/TcAAFOe ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBE745.05E87260--