From: Tony Salvaggione AOL COM> Date: 16 apr 1996 Subject: No Subject ing? wK wS bR -- -- -- bG -- -- Held, bP The silver can't take because of the pin, and the king can't take because of the gold. King can't flee also because of gold. The later example wK wS bR -- wG -- bG -- -- -- bN -- held bP Of course is a standard type of sequence: P'9b, Gx9b; Nx9b+mate It seems that the first example is one of an illegal mate, yes?