From: Adam Atkinson MISTRAL CO UK> Date: 9 oct 1995 Subject: Re: King in check Uh, Pieter... in chess "stalemate" is exactly the same as having no moves. Really. Honestly. It is not legal to move the king into check in chess, so whether or not such a "move" is apparently available makes no difference. If there are no moves available for the player whose turn it is, the position is "stalemate" (and the game is a draw - it's felt that actualling checkmating someone is better than leaving them with no moves). In Chinese Chess leaving your opponent with no moves is just as good as checkmating him/her. Things COULD be different in shogi, which is what we are discussing. If moving the king into check is legal in shogi, then stalemate positions are quite rare since a lot of quasi-stalemate positions would exist in which you would be FORCED to move your own king into check. (You'd probably really resign, of course). So the King has to be completely blocked off by the sides of the board and his own pieces. If moving the king into check is NOT legal then shogi stalemates will be like chess ones, in general terms (and it should be possible to think of much more varied ones). Of course, a player with no moves has to have no pieces in hand, or some pawns in hand and 9 unpromoted pawns on the board. Adam