From: Jeff Mallett CRUZIO COM> Date: 8 oct 1995 Subject: Re: King in check >>> Having absolutely no moves is different from stalemate >> >>Is It? How? >> >In stalemate one can still move but every move puts one's king in check. >Having absolutely no moves means that none of one's pieces can move. I >think Adam Atkinson gave an example of that, recently. > >Cheers, Pieter. Note that if you're taking your definition of "stalemate" from the world of chess, they are identical. In chess, stalemate simply means that "the player cannot make any legal move" [USCF Rule I.12.C]. A move that puts your king in check and a move that causes a piece to make a half-twist spiral around the board while simultaneously capturing all the opponent's pieces at once are both equally illegal, i.e. 100%. As for whether stalemate should be a win or draw, you can pick whatever rule you like. In chess, tic-tac-toe, hexdame and others it's a draw. In International Checkers, Neutron, Shatranj, Wildebeest Chess, Focus, and others the side having no moves loses. In Dodgem, Three Muskateers (the Muskateer side), a historical version of chess in old England, and others the side having no moves wins! In Attaxx, Othello, and other games the side having no moves must pass his turn. Jeff P.S. I don't believe it's too pedantic to require that the rules for a game should cover ALL possible positions of the game, not just the ones reachable by reasonable play. ----------------------------------------------------- Jeff Mallett jeffm cruzio com Strategy Labs, Inc. Voice: (408) 338-6324 Fax: (408) 338-6325 -----------------------------------------------------