From: Pieter Stouten EMBL BITNET> Date: 9 oct 1991 Subject: "Check" or "Checkmate" that's the question On Wed, 9 Oct 91 09:20:04 +0100, Adam Atkinson vaxrom decnet cern ch> wrote: >Subject: Shogi for Beginners, page 138 > >Impasse >This refers to a case when ... mate of either king has become impossible. > So it seems that I was wrong and that in case of mutual entering kings the points are to be counted as soon as CHECKMATE is impossible. This of course allows players to drag on and on when they don't have enough points. In Japan this never seems to cause a problem, but attitudes in the west seem to differ and make rules necessary. Pieter Stouten.