From: Pieter Stouten EMBL BITNET> Date: 17 may 1990 Subject: Re: Shogi Psychiatric Test (spoof) I don't think that anybody really objected to seeing the Psychiatric Test on this list. It might provoke/induce some reactions. That is good in its own right since after all this is a discussion list. To me Go and Shogi are both very interesting games. I find them less boring than Chess and I don't think they bite each other. My earlier posting was more or less meant to be a jocular reposte. There is this famous joke about the Shogi player who was asked how strong he was and whether he was of "sho-dan" level already (a beginner is roughly 15-kyu. After rising through the ranks one goes up to 1-kyu. The next promotion is to "sho-dan" (1-dan) after which you can go up all the way to 6-dan amateur.). Anyway the answer to the question about this player's grade was: No I am "jo-dan" (which means "joke"). Pieter Stouten bitnet: stouten@embl